Comments on: Local Currents

By: lagoona

lagoona — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 07:06:14 +0000

Why would it be of any consequence what “standing”in the community the jaywalker has? Would it be ok to humiliate someone who was not up to snuff in your social register?

By: David Vanderveen

David Vanderveen — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 05:55:25 +0000

My point was simple: if an officer wants to write a ticket for jaywalking, they have that right. It’s a minor misdemeanor and should not require detaining someone for a lengthy period of time. Humiliating a well-known resident (not me) in front of a large community event makes the police look foolish, which most people seem to agree with in town. It’s unnecessary and unprofessional. Better trained police departments don’t behave that way as Bert Wijbenga points out. I think we need to provide better training and more officers so our officers behave like ambassadors for the town.

By: Just Curious

Just Curious — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:41:40 +0000

Assuming you are an objective writter, I’m guessing you spoke to the police officer too? There are, after all, always two sides to a story. So I’m curious what his explanation was? After all, you make a lot of assumptions as to what the officer was thinking in your article, so you must have spoken with him and learned what kind of person he is.

I agree with Kevin, jaywalking, is a safety issue, not a status in the community issue. Do you know how many people are fataly or seriously injured in Laguna Beach from jaywalking? It sounds like your friend broke the law and is just upset he was held accountable for his actions.

So I leave you with one question: should everyone in Laguna Beach get a break from receiving jaywalking tickets, or just those who are residents?

By: Don Smith

Don Smith — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:59:37 +0000

The fact that you quote Rodney King says it all. Rodney was a drug addict that decided he was so special that he did not need to follow the rules that everyone else follows. He endangered the lives of everyone on the freeway by driving like a maniac. Maybey if he took his own advice and didn’t act like a sociopathic fool, he would not have gotten the beating that he definitely deserved for endagering the public like that. Rodney has already used all the money from the lawsuit on drugs and alcohol and is back in jail. What a shocker.

After reading your rambling article, I can tell that like Rodney, you think you are special and do not need to follow the rules that the rest of us follow. You think because you are “well known” you do not need to be bothered by petty things such as crosswalks. Wasn’t a pedestrian recently struck on Laguna Canyon and severly injured? I’m glad it wasn’t you or your family.

I’m guessing you sat and argued with the officer, prolonging your detention to 30 minutes, which is a prettly long time for a citation. Continue behavior like that and I am sure you will be “well known” in the court house too. I learned as a child that arguing with a police officer is never a smart idea. It is always best to say sorry and move on. In doing that, I have avoided many tickets that I definitely deserved.

Please type in “police brutality Netherlands” into Google and see what comes up. I just looked and apparently the four years of preparing are not enough for them.

This is the most one sided article I have ever seen. I would love to hear the officer’s side of the story. Maybey you can ask him to comment on here if you are truely unbiased.

As far as I’m concerned, the cops in this town are doing a great job and need to keep up the good work. Thank you for risking your lives to keep my family safe.

By: David Vanderveen

David Vanderveen — Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:05:10 +0000

Thanks for your letter, Kevin. My column runs bi-weekly. Like all columns in the Laguna Beach Independent, it includes my photo, byline and a description of the author at the end.

I do think descriptors are important, particularly someone who is a significant contributing citizen in our community. There simply isn’t a good reason for a police officer to make a citizen in good-standing sit on the curb for 30 minutes for jaywalking–it’s absurd.

David

By: Kevin

Kevin — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 03:24:20 +0000

Hi David,
You are complaining about the police. I’m surprised that your
letter got published. I’m also surprised that you wanted your picture
printed and included your email address. You must like controversy
more than me (or even the average person). Complaining about police
behavior is so common. Aren’t most people ready to retaliate when a
police officer wants to talk to them? I remember recently hearing a
lady cussing about getting a parking ticket. She was calling the
police/ticket-giver a jerk and then some. I think it’s her fault, not
the officers. Her time was up.
I have had my share of problems with the law. And I have
complained and kicked and screamed and bitched and criticized cops
from Laguna Beach to San Francisco. Most of the time it does not do
any good. It usually causes more problems. The best thing to do is
obey the law. I think most laws are created and enforced for safety.
Safety is one word that you did not mention in your article.
I will bet you that most people do not even know what jaywalking
is. I grew up in Southern Orange County and I live in Laguna Beach.
Most days of the week I have a view of one of the busiest
intersections in Laguna Beach. I can see traffic, stupidity and unsafe
behavior all day long. I hear horns honking and sirens scream most of
the day. The corner is a 4-way intersection with traffic lights on
all corners and 3 crosswalks, not four. One side does not have a
crosswalk. A crosswalk is obvious to me, it usually has white lines
creating a “safe” section to walk in. Besides no crosswalk painted on
the street there are signs that read “No Crossing” & “Use Crosswalk”.
There is a reason that there is no crosswalk on this side of the
street. Nonetheless, I have seen fit, fast folks, Fat, slow folks,
families with children and babies in strollers and old folks cross
there a million times. Did you know that when you walk to a corner
with a light and pedestrian crossing that you are supposed to push the
button and wait for the Walking Man that is green before you cross?
Instead of the Red Hand? I have seen officers enforce this.
I think that when a pedestrian is in the street, they are unsafe.
I think that when a pedestrian is in the street they are responsible
for their own safety. I believe that if you trust a car you are
foolish (I can offer you one of my T-shirts that I had made and wear
that reads “Never Trust A Car”). I have often proclaimed that if a
person is in the street and they are hit by a car they are often to
blame, not just the car.
I appreciate your article but I also think you bring up things that
have nothing to do with safety and the law. For example – the persons
age, citizenship and being well known. Do you think that Mexicans
that drive into town every day to keep Laguna Beach fixed and
manicured should get pulled over more than Laguna Beach Citizens? I
don’t, but they do.
A 50 year old man or woman is not relative to this scenario you
have described (except they should know better) and poor hearing is
not relative (except it makes it even more unsafe for them to be in
the street). I have 5 words for this person and every person: STAY
OUT OF THE STREET – my parents must have told me that 1,000 times.